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Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:04 am
by wicked008
Now I almost bought Pro a minute ago when i realized i might miss out on some great export functionality.

This made me stop buying Pro.
I might aswell wait and get Pro Export when it is avaible probably with an additional 5-10bucks.
The upside is, i would get all the Pro features + export and not have a crippled Pro Version with no possibility
of getting the Export features rather then buying the whole package again.

This seems very confusing to me.
Please shine some light on these problems.

Thank you, still loving your products!
But there are just toooooooooooooooo many different Versions...
i might even need to wait for HD-cam because it again looks so much cooler and does almost everything Pro/Export does....

Oh and will Pro Export support GPU Acceleration for encoding, like Badaboom does? that would be mind blowing :)

greetings

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:43 am
by icsterm
Once Pro export will be available you can upgrade your license later on with a small fee.

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:51 pm
by Ghost
wicked008 wrote:Now I almost bought Pro a minute ago when i realized i might miss out on some great export functionality.

This made me stop buying Pro.
I might aswell wait and get Pro Export when it is avaible probably with an additional 5-10bucks.
The upside is, i would get all the Pro features + export and not have a crippled Pro Version with no possibility
of getting the Export features rather then buying the whole package again.

This seems very confusing to me.
Please shine some light on these problems.

Thank you, still loving your products!
But there are just toooooooooooooooo many different Versions...
i might even need to wait for HD-cam because it again looks so much cooler and does almost everything Pro/Export does....

Oh and will Pro Export support GPU Acceleration for encoding, like Badaboom does? that would be mind blowing :)

greetings
Like icsterm wrote, it will be possible to upgrade from PRO to Export version without need to buy full export version and paying full price.

Splash PRO Ex (export) will support following accelerations for encoding:
- CUDA
- Intel Quick Sync video
- Video decoding acceleration during encoding (it is possible to combine this with NVIDIA CUDA and Intel Quick Sync Video for even faster encoding)

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:38 am
by icsterm
Ghost wrote:
wicked008 wrote:Now I almost bought Pro a minute ago when i realized i might miss out on some great export functionality.

This made me stop buying Pro.
I might aswell wait and get Pro Export when it is avaible probably with an additional 5-10bucks.
The upside is, i would get all the Pro features + export and not have a crippled Pro Version with no possibility
of getting the Export features rather then buying the whole package again.

This seems very confusing to me.
Please shine some light on these problems.

Thank you, still loving your products!
But there are just toooooooooooooooo many different Versions...
i might even need to wait for HD-cam because it again looks so much cooler and does almost everything Pro/Export does....

Oh and will Pro Export support GPU Acceleration for encoding, like Badaboom does? that would be mind blowing :)

greetings
Like icsterm wrote, it will be possible to upgrade from PRO to Export version without need to buy full export version and paying full price.

Splash PRO Ex (export) will support following accelerations for encoding:
- CUDA
- Intel Quick Sync video
- Video decoding acceleration during encoding (it is possible to combine this with NVIDIA CUDA and Intel Quick Sync Video for even faster encoding)

For non Sandy Bridge CPU's will it be possible to encode with CUDA and decode with SSE 4 CPU instructions and viceversa?

Quick sync is still new for most of the CPU market.

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:40 pm
by Ghost
icsterm wrote: For non Sandy Bridge CPU's will it be possible to encode with CUDA and decode with SSE 4 CPU instructions and viceversa?
Quick sync is still new for most of the CPU market.
Im not sure if our decoder supports sse4 intructions, but it is optimized for multicore CPUs and should perform well.
It will be possible to encode using CUDA and decode with hardware accelration.
This works great on GTX family. Im not sure if your 360M will perform best with CUDA + hardware acceleration decoding.
But for sure will perform nicely with software decoding + CUDA encoding.
CUDA decoding is not supported.

Quick Sync technology is still very new, but it is a top perfomer, combined with hardware accelerated video decoding with NVIDA (with ATI should work as well) it can make more than 2x realtime highbitrate 1080p encoding. And it takes 10-20% CPU if I remember right.

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:49 am
by vivan
Speed is not giving the full picture... There are also 2 important parameters: quality and size (bitrate).
Could you compare your hardware encoder with x264 "ultrafast" preset (if quality will be worse, than you should add --crf 21)?
And result should be table: quality mesuared in PNSR metric (e.g. x264 can in it's log), speed (fps, or time), size (or bitrate).
Or at least screenshot comparasment instead of PNSR...

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:30 pm
by Ghost
Will try to make something but im not sure if will be able to publish it before release.

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:16 am
by icsterm
Ghost wrote:
icsterm wrote: For non Sandy Bridge CPU's will it be possible to encode with CUDA and decode with SSE 4 CPU instructions and viceversa?
Quick sync is still new for most of the CPU market.
Im not sure if our decoder supports sse4 intructions, but it is optimized for multicore CPUs and should perform well.
It will be possible to encode using CUDA and decode with hardware accelration.
This works great on GTX family. Im not sure if your 360M will perform best with CUDA + hardware acceleration decoding.
But for sure will perform nicely with software decoding + CUDA encoding.
CUDA decoding is not supported.

Quick Sync technology is still very new, but it is a top perfomer, combined with hardware accelerated video decoding with NVIDA (with ATI should work as well) it can make more than 2x realtime highbitrate 1080p encoding. And it takes 10-20% CPU if I remember right.

I'm currently using an Optimus powered laptop with GT540M card + Nvidia HD Graphics.

1. Will Splash Export support latest 5xxM Nvidia cards? CUDA is a bit beta in the last drivers.
2. AFAIK Intel HD Graphics can decode H.264 streams and the dedicated GPU also. Can we use software decode (with full HT support) + intel gpu hardware accelerated decoding and cuda encoding with the dedicated card? This should squeeze all performance from my notebook.

PS: I've tested Cyberlink's Mediashow converter and I found the best speed is achieved with software decoder and cuda encoder. My CPU goes 90% usage on all threads and 70% load on the gpu. But the Intel HD Graphics i think is idle which is a waste of resources. Maybe Splash Export will make the most of the available resources ( Use both GPU's and all CPU threads).

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:21 pm
by trennal
Pro Ex has been compleely exiting out of the movie while watching (M2TS files), where Pro did not. I can restart the program and go to where it left off and continue. This happens often in a single movie as well as many different movies. Sometimes before it exits, there may be stuttering.

Re: Pro vs Pro Export Confusion

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:40 pm
by Ghost
trennal wrote:Pro Ex has been compleely exiting out of the movie while watching (M2TS files), where Pro did not. I can restart the program and go to where it left off and continue. This happens often in a single movie as well as many different movies. Sometimes before it exits, there may be stuttering.
Splash PRO and PRO EX are very the same about video playback.
If it happens in EX version it should also happen with PRO version (in the same version).
Can you please provide more information about file type when this problem occurs? DOes it happen with all file types and video/audio codecs? Or only with divx video or mp3 audio in example?